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Post subject: Sequential serial number Winchester 9410s...Shoot or not? |
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Joined: Fri Dec 28, 2007 4:49 pm
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Location: Ohio | I am here to ask a question for my bro-inlaw. My bro-inlaw got 2 Winchester 9410 shotguns for christmas this year...they are not the packer models, but the Traditional model (I think). His wife bought them for him, but had to buy both of them because the guy that had them would not sell them individually. He would not sell individually because they are sequential serial numbers, hence, she had to buy both. He (bro-inlaw) has always wanted one, but now he is not sure if he should shoot one or not. He is not going to shoot either one until he hears back from me, so let me post a couple questions and see what you guys think... 1) Does the fact that they have sequential serial numbers and are both new-in-box increase the value of them? 2) If he does shoot one, does it decrease the value of them? 3) Should he sell them (due to the serial numbers) and buy one that he can shoot and have fun with? Any advice from you all would be greatly appreciated! Thanks! Tim
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Post subject: re: Sequential serial number Winchester 9410s...Shoot or not |
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Joined: Sun Nov 09, 2003 6:01 pm
Posts: 6228 | Wife bought them for him for. No, he should not sell them. Wife did a good job.
I have no idea what they are worth together as opposed to apart. My thought is to keep one in the box and shoot the other. The fact that the wife bought them because she knew he wanted one would trump any monetary value to me.
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Post subject: re: Sequential serial number Winchester 9410s...Shoot or not |
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Joined: Fri Feb 09, 2007 9:09 pm
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Location: Colorado | Firearms were designed for a purpose- to be shot and enjoyed. It's not like you have $20,000 worth of guns there. And it's not like they were once owned by Teddy Roosevelt or something. I say enjoy them.
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Post subject: re: Sequential serial number Winchester 9410s...Shoot or not |
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Joined: Sun Nov 25, 2007 9:30 pm
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Location: NC Tidewater Area | The fact that they have sequential S/Ns has no value for collectors, my friendly dealer advises. They are worth book value and no more for individual guns, according to condition. The fact that the S/Ns are sequential means nothing on the collectors circuit, per my knowledgeable friend. He hits the circuit every weekend. He would not be interested in this scenario. Only the individual guns which he would sell separetly without regard to consecutive S/Ns. They are what each gun is worth separately, only, in his analysis.
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Post subject: re: Sequential serial number Winchester 9410s...Shoot or not |
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Joined: Fri Oct 12, 2007 4:07 pm
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Location: Everywhere you want to be | What I've seen is it's only certain guns that have high collector value on their own that having two with sequential numbers will increase the value over each individual gun. Consecutive numbered early Single Action Armies or S&W Registered Magnums would probably command a premium but I wouldn't think that the two 9410s would have any more value than two that were not consecutive. I generally wouldn't own a gun I wouldn't shoot but if I had two of the same model I'd pick one to shoot and the other to keep new. The point of a previous poster of not selling them as they were from his wife is a good one.
John
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Post subject: Re: Sequential serial number Winchester 9410s...Shoot or not |
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Joined: Sat Dec 20, 2003 12:30 pm
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1) Does the fact that they have sequential serial numbers and are both new-in-box increase the value of them?
2) If he does shoot one, does it decrease the value of them?
3) Should he sell them (due to the serial numbers) and buy one that he can shoot and have fun with?
1. Yes 2. Yes 3. Yes, but he must take his wife out to a fancy dinner or overnight getaway with the remaining funds - to keep the peace. Having said that, I don't believe that any of the Winchester 9410/9422 series guns will ever have any collector value. However, I never cease to be amazed at what some people will pay a premium price for. When Winchester dropped the 9422 guns in 2005 (or so), I saw prices climb from the usual 15% discount up to full MSRP, and beyond for NIB guns. Will the 9422/9410 guns remain a 'collector's item'? I don't think so, but I have been wrong before.
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Post subject: re: Sequential serial number Winchester 9410s...Shoot or not |
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Joined: Sat Nov 20, 2004 2:26 pm
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Location: Bellevue, NE | I just looked up 9410s and 9417s and they are still bringing quite a premium. I know for a fact they will not be manufactured when Winchester comes back because they would be too expensive for the average consumer (straight from the Alaska Browning rep).
Would I shoot them- no
I'd either be collecting them-unfired or talk to the wife and see if she wouldn't mind if I sold them and got some that I could shoot with out making them less valuable.
I got one of the 9417s when they came out and luckily never had the opportunity to shoot it. I paid $450-$500 for it and a year or so later got double my money. Now they are going for roughly an extra $200 higher yet. I don't regret it. I wanted a shooter and a NIB one was just too valuable to do it. Yesterday I got a nice to excellent 9422 Mag for $500 including scope, looks unfired with a small crack behind the tang. At least I won't be afraid to shoot it and it should hold its value nicely. It is suppose to be a 1972 version or in other words, first year.
Well, thats my opinion anyways.
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Joined: Fri Apr 14, 2006 1:52 pm
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Location: Adrian MI | I would keep one and sell the other, depending on what she paid for them.
I own one that my dad gave me and was told by some on the internet not to shoot it because it was new in the box. Well it was a gift from my dad so I promptly took it out of the box, cleaned it up and picked up some shells .
I have seen them go on gunbroker for more than what they sold for new though. And certain models go for quite a bit more than they sold for new. Which was too much in my honest opinion. Mine still had the tag on it from the gun store and I about crapped when I saw what he paid for it.
Paul
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Post subject: re: Sequential serial number Winchester 9410s...Shoot or not |
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Joined: Sun Aug 21, 2005 8:42 pm
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Location: Missouri | Consider that a Model 94 rifle makes a really lousy shotgun. It was a gimmick to sell guns. A rifle makes a lousy shotgun, and a shotgun makes a lousy rifle.
So keep those guns in the box, and wait twenty years. Oddities like Model 94 shotguns will sell for stupid money, because they say 'New Haven' on them, because there won't ever be any more 'real' Winchesters again, of any kind.
If he wants a .410, Mossberg makes a dandy that they sell at Wal Mart for about $200. They really work, and I can't imagine how you could ever loose more than $200 shooting one. Shoot those Winchesters and see how much it costs him.
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Joined: Sun Oct 21, 2007 4:41 pm
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Location: Home Sweet Home | I keep it simple with this kind of stuff. He should do what ever with them that brings him enjoyment. Be it collecting them are shooting them. I don't collect things i prefer to use them. So i would shoot them are sell them. If i could afford a nice old car these car collectors would hate me i would buy something rare with low milage and burn rubber all the time drive it every were.If you do not enjoy it what good is it? But some people enjoy it just having it set around and collect dust.
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Joined: Sun Aug 24, 2003 3:31 pm
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Location: Kearney NE | Do the math at say 7% compounding over a 20 year period. Do you think that they will bring that then? If you think guns are an 'investment' you need to be spending real money on real guns. Not those whatchamacallits. If you always wanted one, what for? To have and say you have one NIB or did you always want one to shoot. You have them now, do with them what you always wanted to do with one. Keep them pristine or shoot them, whichever. Either way you go they won't make you rich nor will they break you! Guns generally are a poor investment. If you don't really WANT a certain gun, don't get it, unless of course you can lay your hands on a Browning Midas grade Superposed for a Grand! If so, then just buy it, and keep it till you die, then let the kids fight over it.
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Post subject: re: Sequential serial number Winchester 9410s...Shoot or not |
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Joined: Sun Oct 21, 2007 4:41 pm
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Location: Home Sweet Home | Guns are not a investment just like jewlery is not a investment. If you think they will increase in value just try and sell it. Guns like jewlery are the same you try to sale it people think your desperate and will not offer you anything. There are rare wxceptions out there but not many.
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Post subject: Re: re: Sequential serial number Winchester 9410s...Shoot or |
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Joined: Mon Jan 01, 2007 7:03 pm
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Location: Southern Wisconsin | Guns are not a investment just like jewlery is not a investment. If you think they will increase in value just try and sell it. Guns like jewlery are the same you try to sale it people think your desperate and will not offer you anything. There are rare wxceptions out there but not many. You've lost your a$$ also. Join the club.
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Post subject: re: Sequential serial number Winchester 9410s...Shoot or not |
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Joined: Mon Aug 04, 2003 1:48 pm
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Location: Ohio | I would shoot one and sell one... or maybe just shoot them both. The Winchester 9410 is probably one of the most fun shotguns ever created! Skeet, especially the doubles, is a hoot with that lever action. In Ohio (were the OP and myself are located) you can hunt everything from dove to whitetail deer with it. I have yet to find a shotgun that is as much fun and as versatile for hunting in Ohio than my Winchester 9410. mcb
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